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		<title>By: Suzanne Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree that crowdsourcing is driving down wages in graphic design, website design, IT, photography, illustration and prettymuch any creative job. I&#039;m especially finding that clients do not have time to &quot;research&quot; who they look at anymore (since we don&#039;t cost much apparently, companies won&#039;t &quot;waste time&quot; choosing the right person for the job) and this leads to clients requesting things outside my skillset constantly and assuming they can get an ecommerce site from me for $100 (which Ishake my head and sigh at, by the way - as if).

Clients today can see the biggest and most beauteous things in the world, built by designers who command excellent salaries or exceptional passion. However, clients still expect me to produce same but for $100. 

Basically, what I see is a whole lot of uneducated clients, who have bought into a culture of cheap and can&#039;t afford or refuse to look at paying any more for services their grandson can do for free (albeit of a much poorer quality).

I do see a lot of work which is rushed, half finished and of bad quality and I do get good paying jobs fixing these up.

Just my 2c</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that crowdsourcing is driving down wages in graphic design, website design, IT, photography, illustration and prettymuch any creative job. I&#8217;m especially finding that clients do not have time to &#8220;research&#8221; who they look at anymore (since we don&#8217;t cost much apparently, companies won&#8217;t &#8220;waste time&#8221; choosing the right person for the job) and this leads to clients requesting things outside my skillset constantly and assuming they can get an ecommerce site from me for $100 (which Ishake my head and sigh at, by the way &#8211; as if).</p>
<p>Clients today can see the biggest and most beauteous things in the world, built by designers who command excellent salaries or exceptional passion. However, clients still expect me to produce same but for $100. </p>
<p>Basically, what I see is a whole lot of uneducated clients, who have bought into a culture of cheap and can&#8217;t afford or refuse to look at paying any more for services their grandson can do for free (albeit of a much poorer quality).</p>
<p>I do see a lot of work which is rushed, half finished and of bad quality and I do get good paying jobs fixing these up.</p>
<p>Just my 2c</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bren Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bren Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just have to say, I completely agree that the design industry on an every-day commercial level is in serious downturn. 

I think Gareth is right is stating that it&#039;s over-saturated - it really is. Sites like People Per Hour and Freelancers.net are not helping the cause by &#039;cheapening&#039; the value of a good design service - through job-postings which show budgets well below professional industry rates. All this does is encourage the amateur &#039;wannabe&#039; who inevitably, often provides a service below-par, which leads to increased levels of scepticism.

I&#039;ve been in the business now for over 15 years and I have definitely seen a change for the worse. Much as I love the potential of digital, it&#039;s only helped to compound the issue further and devalue design as a discipline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have to say, I completely agree that the design industry on an every-day commercial level is in serious downturn. </p>
<p>I think Gareth is right is stating that it&#8217;s over-saturated &#8211; it really is. Sites like People Per Hour and Freelancers.net are not helping the cause by &#8216;cheapening&#8217; the value of a good design service &#8211; through job-postings which show budgets well below professional industry rates. All this does is encourage the amateur &#8216;wannabe&#8217; who inevitably, often provides a service below-par, which leads to increased levels of scepticism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in the business now for over 15 years and I have definitely seen a change for the worse. Much as I love the potential of digital, it&#8217;s only helped to compound the issue further and devalue design as a discipline.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Sarlow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Sarlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gareth, thanks for including me in this discussion. 

Just to clarify my &#039;down-hill&#039; statement, it&#039;s not necessarily my perception of the work itself, more in reference to the public perception of the industry itself. 

As Sean noted perfectly &#039;The design industry is now reduced to which designer can offer the lowest price for design work.&#039; which is the best indication that the work (or the end result), is not valued as much as it was say 10 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gareth, thanks for including me in this discussion. </p>
<p>Just to clarify my &#8216;down-hill&#8217; statement, it&#8217;s not necessarily my perception of the work itself, more in reference to the public perception of the industry itself. </p>
<p>As Sean noted perfectly &#8216;The design industry is now reduced to which designer can offer the lowest price for design work.&#8217; which is the best indication that the work (or the end result), is not valued as much as it was say 10 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Guilherme Sebastiany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guilherme Sebastiany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Brazil the scenario is not much different from all said here. But I have both optimistic view from Mike Rock, that the market is progressing to looking forward to a more professional work, and the pessimistic view from Nathan´s. What may be happening is the grow of a abyss between total quality, and total lack of quality. High end and low end growing apart. As a result, every passing day, to make the junp between those two extremes will be harder, not only for us designers, but also for our clients</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Brazil the scenario is not much different from all said here. But I have both optimistic view from Mike Rock, that the market is progressing to looking forward to a more professional work, and the pessimistic view from Nathan´s. What may be happening is the grow of a abyss between total quality, and total lack of quality. High end and low end growing apart. As a result, every passing day, to make the junp between those two extremes will be harder, not only for us designers, but also for our clients</p>
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